Muslims under siege?
Responding to a post on Our Kingdom.
“Muslims Under siege” interesting metaphor. But how are they under siege?
They are free to practice their religion. They are allowed to build temples to their god. Employers put aside prayer rooms and allow Muslim workers to pray as and when. They are allowed to vote and stand for parliament. They are allowed to ritually slaughter meat in the Muslim stylee. They have their own schools, committees and community centres. And if the prison shit house happens to point in the general direction of Mecca there are folk who will actually consider moving it.
That doesn’t sound like “Muslims under siege” to me.
Anyway I managed to squeeze this post past the thought pol moderator.
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Muslims under seige? They built their own castle then.
“Stuart Weir” They are disadvantaged and discriminated against in housing, education and employment by comparison with other faith groups;
That doesn’t stack up from where I’m sitting. Many workplaces allow a room for prayers. Muslims are allowed their own schools. There are housing projects specifically aimed at Muslims. There are halal bank accounts for Muslims. They’re allowed to ritually slaughter their meat in accordance with their own beliefs. And so on.
As far as I can tell the “UK” is bending over backwards to accommodate the Muslim belief system.
“Stuart Weir” They suffer disproportionately more from discrimination, racial abuse and racial attacks than any other faith group, and the more openly devout they are, the more likely they are to experience harassment and abuse.
Violence, bigotry and abuse - all absolutely unacceptable in a civilised society.
BTW you must know this, but it seems to need stating - Islam is not a race - it’s a religion.
Bottom line - in the UK Muslims cause more trouble than any other faith group. We get the odd sacred cow incident from the Hindus, there have been cases where the Sikh community have caused a fuss about one thing or another. But with Muslims it’s routine. It’s week in week out - and the threat of violence is never far away.
Now you can blame the press if you like but they are categorically not making everything up. The Rushdie affair wasn’t a conspiracy concocted by the Daily Mail. The “behead those who insult Islam” placards were not photoshopped. The explosions that tore through the tube were not staged.
These sorts of things do tend to get people’s backs up.
Another reason is we’re getting to learn more about Islam too. Religious intolerance is by no means exclusive to Islam - they’re all at it. But the Muslims are right up there with the best of them.
Allah the compassionate and most merciful - doesn’t he have a strange way of showing it? Homosexuality - punishable by death. Adultery punishable by death. Apostasy punishable by death. Blasphemy - you guessed it.
It seems to me that the more devout they are - the more likely they are to believe that homosexuals should be tossed off that cliff. The more likely they are to believe that women are inherently inferior to men. The more likely they are to believe that Jews are pigs or apes. The more likely they are to approve of limb chopping, stoning and beheadings. The more likely they are to hate the kuffar. The more likely they are to want sharia law for the “UK”. The more likely they are to want Islam to dominate the world.
Then there is the constant threat of violence. If I was inclined to draw a picture of a fat ginger desert bandit on a camel riding across the desert with bags of swag hanging from the saddle and then put the caption “Mohammed on tour” underneath it and published it. Then my life would be in danger. Actually I’d struggle to get it published anywhere because people are already shit scared about the threat of Muslim violence.
“Stuart Weir” There are those who deny that Islamophobia actually exists.
I’m a denier.
As I understand it, a phobia is an irrational fear. As far as I can tell there is nothing irrational about fearing Islam. It threatens everything I believe in…
Violence, bigotry and abuse - all absolutely unacceptable in a civilised society.
Someone have a word with the Muslims about it.
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I expect to get some stick for writing this but please don’t cut my head off.
Tags: islam, our kingdom
July 6th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Your words ring so true. I think you are right, and the rest of the world better wake up. I am afraid of the Muslims, their shariah states kill or convert the infidels. I am an infidel, and I will die as one. I woule never submit to Islam, and rather die.
Bravo for stating what others think, but act like dhimmis and keep silent.
check out my website for what I post as well
http://shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.com
July 8th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Absolutely.
Charles Martel turned back the Muslim invasion of France, but Spain and Portugal fell, as did the Christian Kingdoms of North Africa and the Holy Land. Unnfortunately, the Crusades failed to free them.
The Eastern half of the Roman Empire and much of its learning was finally destroyed with the fall of Constantinople in 1453. Fortunately for us, fleeing refugees carried this knowledge with them and helped kick-start the Western Renaissance. Within 40 years the Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal) was finally liberated.
The fighting and invasions continued in the East, Vienna being besieged twice, with Poland coming to their rescue.
The tide was turned.
It can be again.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:37 am
“Charles Martel turned back the Muslim invasion of France, but Spain and Portugal fell, as did the Christian Kingdoms of North Africa and the Holy Land. Unnfortunately, the Crusades failed to free them.”
Yes, and the Moors turned Southern Spain into the shining light of European civilisation at the time. They had a decent economy, trade, good healthcare, science vastly ahead of our own, and ulike the Moors in Europe, Christians in Moorish Spain were allowed to practice their religion freely.
As for the OP.
Most of the things you list as evidence of our ‘accomodation’ of muslims are basic human rights. The idea that Muslims make more noise than any other group is ludicrous. Before 9/11 no-one noticed or gave a shit about Muslims. Now they are suddenly a threat to our way of life.
How?
There’s only a couple of million of them at most. Besides, if our way of life is so special and tolerant, and there’s is so ignorant and repressive, surely the only way of life under threat would be theirs?
“Violence, bigotry and abuse - all absolutely unacceptable in a civilised society.”
You are absolutely right. You know what? I live in an area with an unusually high Muslim population. I tell you what it’s sickening.
Number of times I’ve suffered violence from muslims? Zero.
Number of times I’ve had to endure bigotry? Zero.
Number of times I’ve suffered abuse? Zero.
Number of people I personally know or have heard of who have suffered at the hands of muslims? Zero.
Sadly you fall into the all to common argument of ‘Islam says’. Firstly, I’m not sure I’ll take your word for it thanks. Have you read the Kor’an? Do you actually know what it specifically says on the issues you describe? Even if those are true representations, you also neglect to mention that Islam, unlike many other religions, preaches tolerance of all other religions. Christ and Buddha are revered as prophets. Scientific inquiry is encouraged, as are charity and cleanliness.
Of course it’s scriptures have aspects that can be interpreted as ‘bigoted’. So does the bible. If you’re going to accuse an entire religion of bigotry because of what parts of it’s holy book say, then at least be honest enough to broaden your diatribe to ALL religions, because aside from Buddhism they pretty much all have repressive and bigoted attitudes towards homosexuality, women and blasphemy too.
Muslims, just like any other minority group, make an easy target because by and large they lack the wealth and power to defend themselves on an equal basis. The only difference is that, by virtue of 9/11 and 7/7, it’s a lot more acceptable to make dubious assertions about muslims than anyone else.
Yes, I suppose you could argue something like ‘they’ brought it on ‘themselves’, but then again terrorist bombers hardly constitute a large proportion of the hundreds of millions of muslims in the world.
On that basis, we ought to be doing a lot more against catholics, protestants and indeed secular Britons and Americans, because we’ve backed terrorists and terror sponsoring nations with guns, money, guns and more guns.
Countries like Pinochet’s Chile, Suharto’s Indonesia and, last but not least, our continuing support of Saudi Arabia, sponsors of 9/11.